Did Liza know David Guest was gay when she married him?

I just saw this photo in another thread and... is it even possible she didn't know? I read somewhere that she was really bitter that she kept marrying gay men and felt betrayed. Um... sister?? Were you blind???

God what a freak show. Liza was the most normal looking person in that wedding photograph.

wow- everyone look so weird in that photo...

Was that pre or post “Glaaaaadiaaaaator!” Liz?

How could she not know? She might be a drunk and drug addict, but she's not deaf, dumb and blind.

She was just following the pattern her mother had set. ALL of Judy's husband (including the 1st, David Rose, who was bisexual) were gay with the exception of Sid Luft. Liza and her mother liked to be around gay men, because they were entertaining and fun. They never had the ability to think through the situation and the resultant issues in the bedroom. For them, being "on" and having the best possible audience, was all that mattered.

"These are the most normal people I know"

Yesh I did no but I was shtoned again.

It looks like they played musical chairs with their facial features.

Lorna didn't bother to attend this freak show wedding.

Did she really say that R6? Hahahahahaha!

Hey Elton John, what are you getting Liza as a wedding present?...

A heterosexual man

If she couldn't see that he was the ugliest motherfucker ever, then I don't credit her with the sense/eyesight to know that he was gay.

@r10, She said that about Micheal Jackson, so I just went with it 😉

I remember reading an interview of John Waters around that time. He had a framed photo of the wedding pix in his house. The interviewer asked why he had it and he said it's because they are the modern-day Adamms Family.

Thanks for posting this thread today, OP. I needed to be reminded of simpler times.

[quote]Did Liza know David Guest was gay when she married him?

Who amongst us can say this has never happened to him?

WHO?

^ It's never happened to me, I always marry Gay men

"I have great taste in directors and in people for costumes. But as far as husbands go, I think that I kept changing for them. And then about a year later I'd think: 'What am I doing? This really isn't me,'" she told Oprah in 2010.

No, shweetie. It isn't you. It's your lack of dick. You didn't change enough.

In a 1996 interview with The Advocate cited in the book David Bowie Made Me Gay: 100 Years of LGBT Music, Minnelli spoke about Allen's sexuality. "[I] married Peter and he didn't tell me he was gay. Everyone knew but me. And I found out...well, let me put it this way: I'll never surprise anybody coming home as long as I live. I call first!" she said.

And yet she did it again.

It was on some talk show, maybe the famous Larry King interview where she kept cackling. She said she asked Michael Jackson why didn't he tell her and he reportedly said because you looked so happy. Truthfully, Guest did get Liza into good shape and she was singing and looking better than she had in a while.

I'll never forget her walking down the aisle and looking at Guest grinning at her. And that kiss! Yikes!

The circus! The circus is in town!!

He's wearing more blusher than her in that photo. And rivals MJ in the plastic surgery

Helen Keller knew David Guest was gay when Liza married him.

Having four people in the room and Liza being the sanest one of them all is definitely cause for alarm.

[quote]Helen Keller knew David Guest was gay when Liza married him.

Then why the FUCK didn't Helen tell her?

^ Well, she did outlive them all

Yeah, Liza looked fantastic during that era.

The Gest relationship was not a romantic one, but more of Liza needing companionship. She had been through a rough half decade prior, and Gest really worked at getting her back on her feet and in great shape. They never should have married, though.

That wedding was the most random collection of celebrities ever assembled outside of a Hollywood autograph show.

And what about the claims he made that she was abusive towards him?

The amount of quaaludes between the four of them must have been enough to kill a rhinoceros.

[quote]And what about the claims he made that she was abusive towards him?

Who could blame her?

^ No, Liza is the only one of that group who made it out alive

Gest accused her of hitting him in a rage fueled by alcohol, something Minnelli denied, according to The Washington Post. He also filed a $10 million lawsuit against her, while Minnelli responded with a suit of her own.

OP, you misspelled your headline.

^ Can she afford another Gay man? I mean, we don't come cheap, or cum at all with Liza

R19, How did Liza not know that Peter Allen was gay? Didn't her daddy tell her?

R36 he's smelling so many cookies in that wedding photo.

The Lizsha Troll always makes me laugh. Every. Single. Time.

I'm a simple soul.

Babes, she didn’t even know David was a man when she married him. They look like leshbians.

Vincente Minnelli : "Judy if you call me a fag one more time..."

Liza: "Mama, daddy, not today, please"

Peter: "Oh, God, what am I doing here?"

I remember this wedding happened just a few months after 9/11 when everybody was still shell shocked. It was just one more surreal moment from that time period.

Lorna didn't speak to Liza for a long time because of this, she was disgusted by the whole thing.

Judy's father was gay. It's a family tradition.

JUDY'S DAD WAS GAY TOO?? WTFFFF

The family was run out of Grand Rapids because Frank Gumm couldn't keep his hands off the high schoold boys.

God, she's going to freak out when she realizes Michael Feinstein is gay.

Another version had Liza asking Michael Jackson why he hadn't told her David was gay; "I thought you knew," he shrugged.

It was also wrapped up in a business decision - DG had made a deal with Vh1 that was in its “celeb-reality” days for a series of their married life. Including the wedding. A good deal was shot, but because things went off the rails pretty quickly - Liza threw a lamp at him or verse-visa / etc. that the show was cancelled and the footage locked away or destroyed.

His gayness can be seen from orbit, so I certainly hope she knew!

Judy and Liza both had father fixations so of course the only men they were going to marry would be gay men. A straight man was not going to love them the way a gay man could.

JFC! Those two guys are more fem than the women.

Thankfully, Michael’s nose didn’t fall off during the ceremony.

Ahhh the Good Ole Days….

She loved his natural look

R50, that's because Liza couldn't figure out how to turn off the lamp!!

None of her husbands were gay, until they met Liza.

After the film of Cabaret opened the percentage of gay men in the general population soared.

Unsurprisingly, the best live coverage of the wedding came from an uninvited Michael Musto watching from across Fifth Avenue:

Extra Item: Here’s more about Liza Minnelli and David Gest‘s wedding at Marble Collegiate Church, as glamorously seen from across the street. The A-list (the bridal party and other superstars) were ushered in through the side entrance, while the B-list (forgotten movie and TV stars) went in the main way, so you know where I was positioned. In this prime spot, I was mostly bombarded with the sight of people you didn’t know were still alive (My Little Margie‘s Gale Storm, Mildred Pierce‘s Ann Blyth—basically all the same folks who were at Mama’s weddings). Little Mickey Rooney showed up around the same time as diminutive Paul Williams, so we got to see for all time that Rooney’s way shorter. Sixties legend Petula Clark got no applause of recognition from the crowd, while David Hasselhoff was greeted with a rousing ovation. And Dominick Dunne turned up, cementing one’s suspicion that this was a crime scene. I kept scrutizing the arrivals from the (David) Gest list to see if he’s indeed a friend of Dorothy, but whatever the case, there were tons of gays running around—and this on Fifth Avenue, the same day as the St. Patrick’s Day Parade! That redeemed the whole mummified circus, which one sardonic onlooker compared to the card party in Sunset Boulevard, though he stayed for hours. Not me—I left when Joan Collins arrived with her young beau and said she hopes Liza and David will be as happy as they are.

Furthermore: As she reminded us on Wednesday night’s Larry King Live, Liza is an old-school pro who always gives the impression that everything’s completely peachy while not offering any concrete information about anything. To lovable Liza, wedding no-shows like her half-sister Lorna Luft and singer Whitney Houston are simply close friends who were understandably busy. And Liza was all goo-goo-eyed about the wedding itself, expressing amazement that it seemed to spontaneously bloom into a gigantic expression of joy (though it was planned as a star-laden spectacle and flogged to death for months). Asked if the affair was too hyped, Liza looked dumbfounded and said, “For who?” Cutest of all, she said it was sort of an offering to New York in the wake of 9-11 and the after-party on Wall Street was hubby David Gest’s nice gesture to a hard-hit area!

Larry alternated between gushing over how happy Liza looked and going in for the kill with questions about whether she’s just repeating Mamma’s bad patterns (which Liza just evaded, naturally). Finally, Gest came out—I mean emerged—and told a mean story about how he met Liza when he thought she was overweight and off-key, and he had to audition her to be on that Michael Jackson freakshow tribute he produced! Asked about the gay rumors, Gest simply said that he and Liza have their own world and “I know who I am and she knows who she is.” But does she know who he is?

Fun fact:

Liza and David were married in the same Fifth Avenue church where Lucy married Gary Moore!

The weirdest thing about that photo is not what Liz is wearing, nor is it David Gest's or Michael Jackson's awful disfiguring plastic surgery. It's Michael's "That Girl" hairdo.

Liza exclusively married gay men, didn't she? We're any of her husbands straight?

I think she not only knew, she wouldn't have married him if he were straight.

I saw the first episode of their reality show. In it, David goes out shopping for antiques, buys something and says not to tell Liza how much he spent. Right then I thought, Gurl! Liza doesn’t disappoint! Another gay husband.

Liz wore slippers with her dress and was very late. Held up the whole affair. That I remember. A delayed party and honeymoon for The Guests.

Joy Behar joked about this wedding - which she attended. All kinds of folk were invited. Joy never even met Liza except for once on The View.

The important thing to remember, is that it was a Good Time. A Party. The BEST time.

For a few months, Liza was her version of sober. Even longer she was on a strict diet. David was a brutal task MASTER. Lisa loves KINK. She was able to return to singing badly again, with more than a bit of talent peaking through. Vanity Fair did a big piece and lots of photos on her comeback and none of it was kind. At least Liza and David had great sex! Not as good as she enjoys with Feinstein!

I love Michael’s hairdo. Totally a throwback to That Girl.

This picture is a cross between People of Walmart and Awkward Family Photos.

r68 is the ancient white fags troll.

That will always be one of the craziest most fucked up pictures I've ever seen.

At least she knew he wasn't dead.

R5 Judy's father was also gay. It's no wonder she became a gay icon!

I'm still mad that Liza and Guest's reality show never aired. It would've provided DL with material for YEARS.

The footage MUST be stored somewhere. Maybe there's a kind soul with access to it on DL who could leak something to YouTube?

[quote] I'm still mad that Liza and Guest's reality show never aired.

Episode 1 aired because I remember watching it.

It is Gest not Guest. Huge difference.

R80 Thank you!

In his Vanity Fair column Dominick Dunne talked about filming an appearance. He made it sound like such a shitshow and he really seemed to hate Guest.

Sorry, I misspelled. Oh, dear.

Artist Mark Gero was the straight one. I don't know if anyone posted it on YouTube, but Sam Harris was there and tells a hysterical story about the wedding in his act (or did). It's probably in his book too.

I lost touch, but met him through Carole Cook.

What was the Sam Harris story?

Her father was gay, her grandfather was gay, most of her mothers male friends and husbands were gay, this is what she thinks a man is, she doesn't know any better. Poor bitch

I got my mental illnessh from momma and my love for homoshexuals from my pappa

Just the whole event, sorry- not just one story. I think Sam sang Bridge Over Troubled Water, or some other song that made no sense.

I can't link the video, but if someone would be kind enough there is the Sam Harris bit on YouTube.

Sam must have sang Maybe This Time.

Sam Harris talking about the wedding

Sham Harrish ish one of my dearesht and closhesht friendsh.

I would not have guessed that of the 4 shown in OP's photo, Liza would be the last one standing.....

Sam Harris thinks he's Joan Rivers r91

Thanks R91, I appreciate it

Middle-aged people get married for companionship, not sex.

People crave companionship more than anything once their 20s are over.

It's not hard to figure out.

Liza must be feeling good tonight. She's posting more than normal. I guess the topic has revived her.

I learned about the Liza / DG Vh1 footage from a friend who worked at the network. This was right after all the lurid abuse rumors were leaked by Gest when he sued Liza for divorce.

I was told that there was indeed A LOT of crazy shit on those tapes, and assured that there was no way in hell any of it would ever come to light.

Whatever was being cut into the episodes, and the leaked pilot posted above, would be the dullest, safest stuff.

This is where Gest found Liza. And she's so bad some people on DL suggested it was really Kaye Ballard.

she hadnoidea. she was completely blindsided.

I forgot how fun this shit was.

I can’t stop looking at that wedding photo and laughing……can’t decide who is the most bizarre and hilarious…..thought Gest or MJ, but Liz is still a contender

That Michael Jackson tribute concert was just a few days before 9/11 and all anybody - and the media - could talk about was how awful Whitney Houston looked. All the coverage became about Whitney and Michael was ignored.

Then 9/11 happened and it was all forgotten about.

R101, wow, they are EATING EACH OTHER'S FACES like hirny teenagers!! Companionship, my ass. Lizsha is a total horndog.

[quote] This is where Gest found Liza.

You can hear him self-flagellating just after she starts singing.

Years I heard a rerun of the BBC Radio 4 adaptation of Agatha Raisin and the Walkers of Dembley. After an disastrous undercover meeting posing as a married couple with her neighbour, Penelope Keith spat out [bold]“Well, that was the most convincing display of marital bliss since Liza Minnelli last staggered down the aisle”[/bold]. I stopped laughing, went to Amazon and immediately ordered them on CD plus a paperback copy of the first book in the series. That line (actually written by David Semple, who writes TV’s Father Brown) was all the convincing I needed.

R99 that wasn't so bad! Sure, she's lisping like a snake but she soldiers on abd has quite the technique

[quote] David was a brutal task MASTER. Lisa loves KINK.

Thoshe are two mental imagesh I'm shure everyone ish grateful to have!

If a girl’s father and most of his friends are gay , she may only feel safe with gay men

Liza is just hilarious talking about the wedding.

Gest claimed in divorce papers that Liza has herpes and didn't tell him before they got married.

Whoo boy, she's high off her tits, R110 😂 And her face is pulled back so hard her mouth corners meet at the back of her neck

I got herpesh at Shtudio 54 from Mikhail Barishnikov. Halshton shaid not to fuck Mikhail in the bashement but I didn't lishten.

It's hard to believe, but Gest and Jackson looked normal once upon a time. There must've been tons of self-loathing for them both to get such grotesque work done.

Did even 10% of the people on that list even show up?

I was told by someone who was at the wedding that Natalie Cole sang during the ceremony. If Whitney had, I'm sure he would've mentioned it, so did she really perform then? Or was Natalie her replacement?

No, Whitney and Lorna were no shows.

Maybe she thought he was bi. How could she NOT know he liked homosex? I guess she was so lonely, so needy, that she was willing to marry that, that THING. God, she must have been desperate.

That wedding photo is a hoot. What a freak show!

Wow, that list! Didn't realize that Warren involved in the PR. Unfortunately, Barbara Rush has Alzheimer's and is in assisted living now, but Carole Cook is going strong at 98. Will ask her for any additional dirt.

R103 I was reading one of the IMDb message boards during the Michael Jackson tribute concert. Someone was was doing the 2001 equivalent of live tweeting it and everyone was gossiping about the movie stars that showed up. I waited for the notorious Marlon Brando appearance when it appeared on Australian TV hours later and they didn’t show him!

Liza didn't even know some of the bridesmaids whom David had chosen (he did not know them either--they were either famous or looked like they might one day be famous),.

We jusht HAD to invite the members of KISSH! Peter Crissh, Gene Shimmonsh, and Paul Shtanley... it jusht wouldn't have been ash shpecial without them!

Well that explains Mya and Martine McCutcheon, r123.

It looked in the photo as if she had married Cher.

[quote] Anonymous, [R124]??

Shhh! I'm shtaying shilent about my identity!

[quote] I was told by someone who was at the wedding that Natalie Cole sang during the ceremony.

She did, right before Liza walked down the isle. Remember how during the ceremony Gest asked the minister (or whoever was officiating at the wedding) "Can I kiss her?" and then proceeded to practically swallow her head? What camp!

R127, Cher never looked that bad covered in gauze with black eyes.

If only Liza had a daughter - she could have carried on the family tradition and married Lance Bass.

Gest worked with a lot of black artists, so it figures that there would be a lot of invitees and bridesmaids that Liza likely never heard of. Here is the photo. Marisa Berenson was Liza's bridesmaid at her marriage to Jack Haley so she belongs there. Gina Lollobridgida, Mya, Freda Payne, Janet Leigh, Petula Clark, that newscaster who was allegedly Katherine Hepburn's lover. But no Stephen Sondheim? No Lisa Mordente? No Ann Reinking?

[quote] Joy Behar joked about this wedding - which she attended. All kinds of folk were invited. Joy never even met Liza except for once on The View.

Joy Behar also went to one of Donald Trump's weddings. Sounds like Joy is down for any invitation.

Michael Jackson has got a resting bitch face at OP's photo.

Can you imagine what the photographer was thinking while taking this picture? These folks are/were affected, severely by their celebrity. Liza was the only normal looking one. Eeek!

Liza shortly after dumping Gest. Highlight by far is her choking on her "drink" after a queen calls up identifying himself as a musical theater major from the University of Arizona

[Quote]Marisa Berenson was Liza's bridesmaid at her marriage to Jack Haley so she belongs there

Marisa is also Liza's ex gf.

Honey, if all of Liza's ex gfs were up there, it would have taken Shea Stadium to hold them all.

Liz was in pretty bad shape by then. She lived another ten years, but she didn't go out much.

I wonder who else got invited but said "fuck that freak show" and didn't attend.

Everyone went to one of Donald Trump's weddings. For the free cake.

R132 I never saw this bridesmaid photo before. Amazing.

I've been wondering who Elon Musk and his creepy plastic face reminds me of and now seeing OP's picture of David Gest I know.

I'm a bit confused... how Liza was able to find so many gay men willing to be in a straight relationship with her?

Liza lived another 10 years? She's dead?

^ Liz (without an A), i.e. Elizabeth Taylor

@r145, They weren't willing for long, plus she's rich and famous

@r146, Yes, no one has the heart to tell her

Why would Jane Wyman be there? Who out of that 4 was she friends with? Or does she just like going to the zoo?

Jane Powell I understand. She stole Royal Wedding from Mama.

I thought this was legit a picture of the Wax Figures at Ripleys Beleive it or Not Museum!

Jane Wyman was probably friends with Judy or her father

Now I know why David Guest wore sunglasses a lot of the time. He had mighty strange eyes. They’re almost like the buttons you get sewn onto a soft toy bear.

^ He was just butt-ugly 😳

Who is the tall bridesmaid who looks like Mary Tyler Moore after a couple of days in the crypt?

That photo looks like a Halloween party.

I think sexual orientation was irrelevant (except for the public at large who were watching this freak show with bemusement). The (laughably misconceived) plan was for them to revitalize Liza's career with a reality show. Gest was a producer with a vague grasp of current trends, and the idea must have seemed plausible in the early development stage. Not to mention the horror show of Liz and Jacko as bridesmaids, the enormous guest list read like some unholy Match Game reunion, or as if Allan Carr had produced the whole thing from the great beyond.

I actually find it sad that people like her can't find anybody decent. He obviously was a fraud, not just because he pretended to be straight. Why would you commit to a relationship with somebody who is totally creepy. Do people like her live so separate from normal life that they never meet people who are just normal.

^ "Do people like her live so separate from normal life that they never meet people who are just normal. "

You might want to look at that picture of the wedding party again to find your answer 🙄

When you spend your youth at MGM, tour in concert with Judy Garland, then star in Hollywood movies and then on Broadway all the while socializing at Studio 54 when do you meet normal people? They don't exist. And if she ever met and talked to a normal person she be bored out of her skull after 2 minutes heading for booze, pills, cocaine and Martin Scorsese.

Liza isn't a passive victim in her own life. For decades now, she has chosen the life she wants - including marriage to one gay man after another.

If she had wanted "normalcy," she would have chosen it.

She wasn't as crazy as her mother. During interviews she comes across as a level headed person.

If she didn't....then she was blind.

She has inherited the looks of her father and the judgement and self control of her mother.

She was recovering from a stroke and didn't have her wits about her.

Hubby Mark Gero was a real man. Why didn't that one last?

She also inherited her singing voice from her mother, too..

Who can blame her for wanting a piece of this? 🔥

This thread is side-splitting funny, I love you guys.

This Musto piece from R59 made me spit my coffee:

And Dominick Dunne turned up, cementing one’s suspicion that this was a crime scene.

Asked about the gay rumors, Gest simply said that he and Liza have their own world and “I know who I am and she knows who she is.” But does she know who he is?

Lol r56

“Will a Fosse-neck do it??!”

Here’s a fun read on the day.

Not sure if it’s fanfic or insider scoop.

[quote]Her friends are aghast, of course, and quick to point out that none of this has anything to do with Liza. “A gift list on Tiffany.com?” wailed one of her oldest friends, who was not invited to the wedding. “Four soup tureens at $4,600 apiece? I have never seen Liza eat, order, cook or serve a bowl of soup!”

I wonder how much of that stuff David carted off to his own place and later sold? Now I'm wondering if he had an estate sale...

R171, thank you for that. Oh, my ever-loving GOD!

I kept expecting Debra Messing to show up and someone to ask, “Who was that cunt?”

Please tell me Vikki Carr sang “It Must Be Him!”

Also, remember when Liza and David were planning to adopt a little girl?

Robert Osborne was there!

[quote]Cindy Adams, the New York Post gossip columnist who was one of the bridesmaids and is no spring chicken herself, called the event the ”night of 1,000 facelifts” and likened the guest list to ”the commissary at 18th Century Fox.” ”This was one of the most thrilling weddings I’ve ever been to,” said Mickey Rooney, who’s been to many, nine of them as the groom.

WTF! Tristan Rogers was a groomsman?!?

And how could we resist a chance to revisit Liza's brilliant HSN appearance. I have to say that Gest, for all his horribleness, would have never allowed Liza to appear on TV in this condition.

Wasn't Liza also married to 'Son of the Tin Man' Director Jack Haley Jr. for like a hot minute? Was he gay?

As were Michael McDonald and Robert Culp apparently, r177.

I still don't know who the charming ghoul on the far left is. Anyone?

Liza's poster artist Joe Eula said that Mark Gero was a total freeloader who never held a job but lived off Liza's money. So the sex was great but I think she tired of him never having a job. I think Eula said in all the years they were married, he never had any exhibit, although he claimed to be an artist.

[quote]I still don't know who the charming ghoul on the far left is. Anyone?

Chita Rivera, Liza's co-star in "The Rink"

Mya was one of the bridesmaids Liza did not even know.

Chita looked like this at the weddding r182. I don't think that's her. The ghoul is too tall.

In the clip at R75, Angie Bowie looks like she could easily be the 5th person in the wedding photo.

R156 speaking of Allan Carr, Graham Norton was on the guest list, for some reason.

Chita is dressed in black? Like a 19th Century pallbearer?

R174, were those all the groomsmen?

[quote] Chita is dressed in black? Like a 19th Century pallbearer?

All the bridesmaids (13 of them!) wore black, and carried red flowers. It was a very strange occasion.

There were also thirteen groomsmen, but there are sixteen men with David and Liza in that photo at r174, so I'm not sure who the extras were (ushers?). The only ones I recognize are Tito Jackson in the back (3rd from L) and Robert Osbourne and RJ Wagner next to each other in the front.

The wedding altar/arbor was beautifully staged.

Here is Liza with many (not all) of the bridesmaids. I'm sorry the photo's not better.

they all had to wear, but it looks like they could otherwise choose what they wore.

I don't recognize the first two on the left, but after them, left to right, I recognize: Petula Clark, Janet Leigh, mystery giantess ghoul, Marina McCutcheon, someone else, Liza, Gina Lollobrigida (in an enormous wig!), Marisa Berenson, someone, someone in a huge mink stole (!), and Mya. Apparently missing from this photo, although I know they were at the wedding and were bridesmaids, are Mia Farrow and Cindy Adams (who was not much of a loyalist--when she entered the church, photographers shouted out: "Cindy, how long do you think the marriage will last?" and she shouted back, "About as long as the actual wedding service!")

Marissa Berenson looks extremely beautiful and elegant. Some people just don't get ugly with age.

r192, keep in mind that those photos were from 20 years ago.

R191, the first 2 are Nabila Khashoggi and Cynthia McFadden. The tall drink of water next to Janet Leigh is socialite Rosemarie Lieberman. The gal next to Liza is her best friend whose name escapes me. Between Marisa Berenson and Mya are Freda Payne and theatrical producer Arlene Lazare.

Why did Gary Morton, who I thought was Jewish, marry Lucy in Marble Church?

What does that have to do with this thread, r195?

There are a million Lucille Ball threads: ask it on one of those.

Thanks, r194.

Rosemarie Lieberman is (was?) terrifying.

In the interview with Joy Behar, Liza said she didn't realize at the time that she paid for the wedding. $3.5 million.

From R171 (which sounds like something out of Petronius):

[quote]My typically underwhelmed Brooklyn cabbie, stalled in crosstown traffic for half an hour, frowned in the rearview mirror: “By the time Mike Tyson fights in June, everybody will have forgotten the Liza wedding.”

Oh, for the days when Rex Reed could elicit casual future perfect tenses from Brooklyn cabbies!

The woman standing to Liza's right is her half sister Tina Minnelli.

R197, I got her name wrong. It's Rosemary Lieberman, and she's stunning!

I want to know what some of these people gave the happy couple. And Tristan Rogers among the groomsmen is just hilarious.

If Liza had to pay for these losers, she should have stayed wirh Mark Gero. At least she was getting D on the regular, judging from her multiple miscarriages.

Gest must have seen, or taken a ride on, Tristan Rogers' huge Aussie schlong sometime in the past.......

I am not at all surprised to see so many Old Hollywood people on the guest list (Gail Storm, Ann Blyth, RJ Wagner and Jill St. John) because that's who Liza knew and felt comfortable with since she was a child. All her parents' friends were Hollywood people, and they adore Liza. And who else does she really know? She's been famous in the US since she was a teenager, and world-famous since she was in her early 20s.

She did know a lot of gay men working in theater or fashion or film in the 70s and 80s--she has often said her all-time best friend was Halston, for example. But so many of them died of AIDS.

Liza's best and closest childhood friend is Mia Farrow. I doubt that Liza ever babysat though. Mia had to distance herself when Liza became a coke whore dog fucking fag hag. Liza's gay friends WERE among the most venomous that society allows. The men she fucked were even more questionable. She does love DOGS though.

Geraldo and Peter Sellers enjoyed Liza. She's a good time.

[quote] I doubt that Liza ever babysat though.

I don't know if she babysat Mia, but I do know for a fact she babysat Ron Howard in the early 60s. Even since then he's adored her, which is why he got her cast in "Arrested Development" as Lucille Austero.

r206 is the ancient white fags troll.

Who is R208? A nobody troll and sad stalker. Datalounge's worst.

Gest was very popular in the UK and appeared on their version of Big Brother. He had his own punchlines talking about the marriage.

Rosemarie Lieberman, eh.

Seems to match other pictures on the web.

I was going to guess Cyd Charisse, but Cyd still looks regal without being pulled to taught, even below - the same year as Liza’s wedding.

Surprised if Cyd wasn’t there, though.

She didn’t die until 2008.

Liza, as Judy before her, has extremely powerful gaydar (I believe it was gifted upon the family by aliens from space several generations ago). As with all such strong powers, they can be unfortunately mishandled with the result being Judy's and Liza's unfortunate marriages. After the Gest debacle, the aforementioned aliens returned to Uranus and vowed never to leave the planet's surface again.

R212 How can it be a "Gaydar" if Liza can't recognize a gay man to save her life and keep marrying them ? If anything she's Gay-blind

You would think Cyd and Tony would have been at the top of the guest list and Tony would have sung All the Things You Are during the service.

[quote] Liza, as Judy before her, has extremely powerful gaydar

Judy didn't have "powerful gaydar." She thought VIncente Minnelli's oddly unmasculine behavior (he wore eye makeup!) was just his "artistic flair." I don't think she believed Mark Heron or Mickey Deans were gay, either, although it was obvious that they were young gay rakes. Judy would fall crazy in love and completely disregard the obvious. :Liza is the same way.

Yes. He made her feel safe,

[quote] but Cyd still looks regal without being pulled to taught,

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

Liza’s wedding dress actually looks great.

Is that a price tag hanging from Mia Farrow’s pantsuit?

Okay. Jesus. I was at the wedding so I saw it all. Liz Taylor said to me later that the man with me was a fag and I said, "Well, at least I didn't marry one", pointing my champagne glass at Liza and David. Liz laughed loud and hard and reminded me that she had only ever taken straight dick. I also was wondering where Lucille Ball was but Gary talked her out of attending. That was too bad. I wanted to sing but for some reason they all said NO. Well, that was then and this is now.

I slapped the shit out of that cunt Lisa Mordente for insulting Liza with cheap lesbo jokes (she is NOT one of them!) And if I Ever see that fag cunt Lizsha again (She avoided me like The Plague all evening), I will slap the shit out of her so hard she will land in the valley of the dolls. What a cunt.

L

In r190’s post the shalwar kameez Marisa Berenson is wearing appears to be bwackmess in the picture where she’s dancing with David Gest.

Well, it was that dress-over-jeans era.

*backless. It’s not quite a wack mess.

Liz had only ever taken straight dick? That's a laugh! That woman has had more gay dick than Rock Hudson and Roddy McDowell combined!

How many on the guest list fucked each other? Asking for an Old Hollywood friend.

Liza fucked Baryshnikov in his prime.

Liza fucked all the bridesmaids. It was part of the deal if you wanted to be her bridesmaid.

^ Weren't people literally taking numbers for a chance to fuck Baryshnikov?

Lorna, not the brightest bulb, has good common sense. Liza has none or had none. Maybe she was drinking a lot, who knows. This was one of the incidents that made me think there was a screw loose in Liza’s head. How could anyone not see through David Guest? Lorna did, as did any sane person. The whole thing made me doubt Taylor’s sanity as well.

I’ve always thought Liza was bisexual. No evidence- just a vibe, which would go a long way toward explaining this crazy episode.

Anita Dobson AND Martine. You don’t see the cast of Corrie, do you.

Age was taking its toll and I'm sure Liz was so doped up with pain killers it was all she could do just to stand.

R211, Cyd didn't attend. Cyd, Shirley Maclaine, and Debbie Reynolds all sent their regrets.

"GLADIATOR!" Liz ain't got shit on howlin' Liz - just sayin'....

Poor Jack Haley. Probably pressured into marrying Liza on his father’s orders. He was 40 when he had to marry Liza and divorced her when his father died. Never took another wife.

[quote]Did Liza know David Guest was gay when she married him?

No Rose, she was in a coma.

Those four people managed to use up every bottle of boot black in the world on their heads.

The photo in R36-- Pops looking over and going "you ladies really don't have a clue at all, do you?"

I don't know what Ross is doing tgere, but the clinginess between Tayor and Jackson is overkill. Was he ever trying to fool the public into thinking she was his girlfriend?

Michael and Liz genuinely liked each other. She was the most glamorous star in the world when he was growing up, and so he worshipped her--which is what she wanted most from other people. And she also sympathized with the difficult childhood he had had as a child star.

R240 we don't care about any of those tired ol'sad doggy PR stories.

These folks hung out to famewhore together, and because no one else would have them.

I’m sure she does. She enjoyed fisting him

Liza, Liz, Kate Hepburn etc. all hung out with Michael Jackson to get attention. Jackie Kennedy who had true class was having none of it. After meeting him she asked an associate if MJ was a closet case gay. Shortly after meeting her Michael adopted Jackie's hairstyle and vocal speech patterns

Begone, r241. The adults are talking.

Yikes, R240. The ghost of bullshit past. Liz and Michael liked being famous and gossipy. Corrupt, expensive and wasteful human beings. Together. Liz liked Jackson because he BOUGHT HER JEWELS. He liked being seen with famous women who he could giggle on the phone with late at night, shared his love of pills and wine and DEFENDED his 'pure' love of children.

Liza and Liza.

Liza, Liz and Kate never lacked for attention or publicity.

It's sad that they're all dead now.

I'm still schinging and giving performansches that audienches adore.

When Kate was having Michael Jackson over for dinner one night she called best friend Irene Selznick to come over and join them. Irene shared the opinion that Jackson was quite the freak and was appalled that she was having him over. She couldn't believe Kate had become a desperate famewhore and attention seeker.

Don't know if this is apocryphal or not but when Jackson was cooing over Kate and going on about what a fan he was someone asked him which of her films was his favorites. He couldn't name one. As if he had no idea what films she had made.

[quote] Jackie Kennedy who had true class was having none of it. After meeting him she asked an associate if MJ was a closet case gay.

Didn't she also forbid John John from being an actor for fear that he might become gay?

True class, my ass. She was a social climber herself who just aimed for more conservative property.

Who is the other black gentleman in the wedding service, sometimes pictured seated next to M.Jackson?

Didn't Liz have a hot affair with Malcolm Forbes, who was quite gay? And remember all the tabloid stories about her having a torrid affair with the very gay Anthony Geary? The tabloid stories about her supposed affair with Geary were hilarious. One said she had her way with him and the discarded him like a toy: "She chewed him up and spit him out." That's a quote from piece in the National Enquirer, I think.

R253 no, this gentleman here:

R255, that's Tito Jackson.

Did she know? She counted on it. She didn't want that vile creature trying to mount her in lust.

R256 thank you.

Good Lord, Michael doesn't like sitting next to him, does he?

Liz was gross. Just because you once were beautiful is no reason to bother the world forever with your shrieking voice, simpering "femininity" and indomitable, very EXPENSIVE spirit. Liz Taylor was a greedy and self indulgent old MOVIE STAR. She didn't show up for anything, including a very well paid movie role without daily gifts of JEWELS and compliments. Hours late.

I wouldn't call her a whore, because she was more some sad old flap of immaturity in need of constant attention, gifts and praise. The most spoiled woman on earth. For no good reason. She was all too briefly beautiful. The roles and husbands stop coming after a while - so she took up a charity! And plug your F R A G R A N C E while raising money for the dead. She probably was an OK broad. Nothing like an actual human being though. She and Michael were born to be friends. They showed up about twice a year, after months of negotiations and bribes.

I find wet brain stupidity hard to take. Liz, Liza and a few other hard core addicts were praised for NOTHING but breathing for the last 20 years of their life.

David Gest was a suitable husband for Liza. Did she ever hit these notes again? Would she have lived as long without him. No & No.

^ the guy the AWF troll chases and harasses.

LOL - he's such a nobody no one bothers to spell his name correctly. Or cares.

Just try and misspell Liza's last name and watch the reaction you get.

[quote]Didn't Liz have a hot affair with Malcolm Forbes, who was quite gay?

The now-forgotten gossip columnist Liz Smith basically financed her retirement fund by breathlessly reporting on the faux Taylor-Forbes romance.

BTW, rumor has it that when Trump bought the Plaza Hotel, he incurred Forbess's wrath by refusing to let him take his Puerto Rican rentboys there to fuck.

Ah, life in the closet. So sordid.

Lisa Minelli. What's so hard? She's one old star who is not forgotten. Because her fan base is so small.

[quote]Liz was gross. Just because you once were beautiful is no reason to bother the world forever with your shrieking voice, simpering "femininity"

Women used to be feminine. It probably seems weird now when all straight women act like dykes, especially actresses. Am I the only one who misses feminine women?

Better to act like a "dyke" than to be a prissy, lispy, weird OLD flavorless fag. You're feminine enough for everyone, R264!

Speak for yourself, bitch.

Where was the photo taken, OP? An insane asylum? Was a prize given out for most insane?

Has Liza May always been “out to lunch”? She looks relatively sane in those pics with Mark Gero.

Sometimes she has been out to breakfast and dinner.

Wikipedia says Mark Gero was also a stage manager. Where did Liza ever meet him?

And if Cher could find a working class boyfriend, Rob Camilletti, Liza could as well.

R271, of course Cher never married him, which is why she's filthy rich.

[quote] Jackie Kennedy who had true class

Oh, [italic]please.[/italic] She made her husbands (and Maurice Tempelsman) pay for her services as much as any courtesan ever did.

At least Liza and Liz did anal, orgies, and sex making with the Dobermans. All Liza asked for was copious amounts of blow and a medium order of fries. And every pill ya got.

Liz expected emeralds, rubies, diamonds and tiaras. BIG tacky ONES. And a proposal on a yacht that you flew in on a helicopter. Poetry and a black eye.

Jackie O liked cash. She was definitely classier! No anal, no dogs and no gangbangs.

[quote] She didn't want that vile creature trying to mount her in lust.

Oh, she didn't? She sure didn't mind him kissing her passionately. If she let him kiss her like that she probably let him "mount" her.

Liza must have been the most clueless junkie ever.

R225, Liza and Jessica both had Baryshnikov, and if rumors are true, Bob Fosse.

[quote] The roles and husbands stop coming after a while - so she took up a charity! And plug your F R A G R A N C E while raising money for the dead.

You miserable piece of human shit. Liz Taylor did more for AIDS research and breaking the stigma that surrounded people living with HIV/AIDS than your addled mind could ever comprehend. Nobody was doing anything, nobody wanted to be associated with a "gay disease." Liz Taylor really stuck her neck out and became an activist in a time when it was totally unfashionable and could've damaged people's reputations. Liz was a class act who made the fight against HIV/AIDS her #1 priority when it was a very risky thing to do.

I thought Liz Taylor WAS a gay disease?

243, you need to hear Hepburn’s version of “hanging out” with Michael Jackson. She thought he was nuts and she told him she would Not introduce him to Garbo.

Katharine Hepburn and MJ only met each other three or four times, they were never friends.

Love the picture of the Jackson brothers together!

Tito seems to be enjoying the whole thing as well.

We had some fun threads about them, especially on their wedding day. Along with Star Jones' wedding that was some good times on DL

Thinking of Liza having sex with Bob Fosse is deeply disturbing.

Liza and John look so cute in R277’s photo.

Jessica Lange looks really ugly there!

[quote]Thinking of Liza having sex with Bob Fosse is deeply disturbing.

Lots of jazz hands…

This is just gossip. Don’t know for sure if true.

Halston had designed and had built custom furniture for Liza’s NY apartment. First order of business after the marriage…David Gest had it all removed and junked. Unbeknownst to his new, blushing bride.

Star Jones was a staple of DL many years ago. She's totally forgotten today, but she was a DL mascot for some time.

R278, the leading scientists in the US at that time were telling the public that it was possible to spread AIDS through "normal household contact." It added to an anti-gay hysteria and the stigma took decades to overcome.

Not sure if it's true, but the story I heard was that Michael and Katharine Hepburn were hanging out once circa Thriller and he was blatantly determined to have the moment photographed. Katharine refused. In a way, it fits both their personas. He wanted to solidify his legend status (look at all the important people I'm with!) and she wanted to maintain hers (I'm such a star, I can appear to be above the tacky celebrity stuff).

They were photographed together r290, the pic is a few posts up

R250 Michael Jackson’s genius, other than his musicianship, is his emotional intelligence. He knew what to say and how to act in order to get people to like him and do what he wanted. Little boys, childhood friends, it didn’t matter who.

And given his background, it worked very well with celebrities because he knew just how they liked to be flattered and what kind of sycophancy annoyed them. Hence, ornery persons like Marlon Brando, Katharine Hepburn and Elizabeth Taylor rated him.

Being manipulative and full of shit = emotional intelligence?

The other thing about Michael Jackson was that he was non-threatening. He was so unique that he wasn’t encroaching on anybody’s turf. He wasn’t stealing anybody’s movie roles and he wasn’t stealing anybody’s husband or wife.

[quote] Michael Jackson’s genius, other than his musicianship, is his emotional intelligence.

He didn't have ANY "intelligence", emotional or otherwise. He was shrewd though, and manipulative. He knew if he made a big show of fawning over people like Liz Taylor (he also wooed her with expensive jewels, which of course won her over completely) and Liza Minnelli and Marlon Brando they would befriend him. He did the same trick with the parents of the little boys he wanted to have sex with; won them over by being generous and attentive. He knew they were thrilled to be in his company and in the company of other celebrities. He made them believe he was just a harmless child man who loved little children. IT was all deception. He wasn't "intelligent." He was a snake.

"He wasn’t stealing anybody’s movie roles and he wasn’t stealing anybody’s husband or wife. "

However, their kids were a different story 😳

Michael Jackson was certainly a better human being than Liz Taylor. Michael gave everything he had to the children.

Liz showed up twice a year to a fundraiser. IF she was guaranteed some $$$ sparklies, a couture gown, private jet, a guarantee of more than a million dollars raised, a lot of press and an worshipful introduction by a current A list star. Her "Passion" was for sale.

R298 Okay, we get it, you don't like her.

[quote]He was so unique

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

He was quite unique. Very.

Liz Taylor was a husband stealer.

Liz Taylor was adamant about letting people know that gay men were human beings and deserved the same compassion as everybody else in a time when gay men were pariahs and openly reviled. Whatever fault she had, I don't really care.

He was the uniquest. Just very, very unique.

Liz Taylor was dumb. Not about money and marriage. But just a dumb inarticulate and fake woman. They didn't make em much rougher, drunker, more slovenly, sluttier or coarser than Lizzy Taylor - but she tried to play the benevolent "lady" with that whispery speaking voice and castrating cackle. Yikes.

She was good to her friends. But to be her friend, you had to forfeit your life.

Wow, what did Liz Taylor ever do to you, R305, etc? You sound abnormally bitter about her

R305,=Joan Rivers from her Ouija Board, exhausted from harassing Melissa.

Joan Rivers constantly used Liz Taylor in her act.

Liz Taylor stands in front of the microwave and yells, “Hurry up!”

Liz Taylor puts mayonnaise on her aspirin.

[quote]God what a freak show. Liza was the most normal looking person in that wedding photograph.

Odd, I found her far uglier than her husband. I guess we tend to disregard weirdness in women who look like that and dismiss it as bad makeup, while men with naked faces we judge more harshly.

r306 you're responding to the ancient white fags troll who is mentally disturbed. Just block him.

The mental disturbance is coming from inside your house, R310!

Lisa looks like she was born with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Did her mother drink or do drugs when she was pregnant?

R312 She looks brain damaged?

Poor David ... a virtual "Guest" at the thread devoted to his wedding!

R309 what men have "naked faces" in the photo?

Everyone in OP's pic looks like they signed a pact with the the devil.

I was having a kind of sad day - then I settled back and read this thread - it really cheered me up! Thank you!

Love Liz, but she has taste for shit in clothing. Besides the violet Oscar dress with the diamond - she usually looked like hell.

MJ had black marbles for eyes . So evil

Can you feel the love? I love the necklace though. When David and Liza kiss - the world is right once more.

Old Ruby Wax episodes with Liza have been removed from Youtube which is a shame. Liza was shitfaced and rolling on the floor of her London hotel room with a gf. Good times. .

Never fear, R322. Liza just had the Judy "flu."

More pics from the happy day..

Look now, a real singer. A legend. A voice as resonant as it is powerful. 73 and she sounds like THIS!! AMAZING! She honors her talents. Patti LuPone is superhuman.

Was Gest rumored to be involved with pedophilia too?

Wedding pic looks like a Tim Burton film cast line up. Or The Adams Family portrait.

At that point, I think she was losing her mind. Don't know how many times she lost it, but she keeps finding it. Kudos.

[quote]The tall drink of water next to Janet Leigh is socialite Rosemarie Lieberman.

Thank you r194!

In the groomsmen photo who's the cute guy to Liza's right.

What do you guys think “emotional intelligence” is? It’s not necessarily a positive, Oprah’s Angel Network quality. It’s the ability to parse a situation, to read what people want, what they want to hear, and to communicate with them. Michael Jackson had it, and he used it to tell parents if the the boys he was attracted to he was safe and docile, to get powerful icons of celebrity to vouch for him and to get and to get his fans to against all odds, believe in him.

Liza is a dyke, this is why she marries gay men.

Liza was sleeping with both Scorsese and Baryshnikov while married to Jack Haley. That's not exactly the kind of behavior you'd expect from a lesbian.

Well, she WAS also baking nut-loaf R333

MJ had an affinity for young boys and old movie actresses, yes sir, straight as an arrow.

She was publicly dating them and if they did share a bed they were indeed sleeping, not fucking.

Liza and Michael on a double date!

Liza and both her parents were gay. Liz Taylor and Burton were gay. Kate Hepburn was dyke.

R312, it's LiZa with a Z!

Why wasn't Katie Manning one of her bridesmaids. Liza denies being a druggie and also looks like shit.

From the Observer:

Re Liza: Here’s another good bit of dish. Apparently, before her wedding, Liza recklessly chucked out all her old Halston-designed furniture. Who knew there was such a thing? Anyway, it seems that deco-lovin’ David wasn’t digging Liza’s ultrahip, Ultrasuede chairs and Lucite tables and arranged to have them all dumped on the sidewalk. A pal tipped off Liza as to the value of her discards. Hysterical, the couple of the moment flew downstairs, only to find that some enterprising picker-who more than likely now has a store on Lafayette Street-had snagged the lot.

How come this missing cache of 1970’s relics is not on America’s Most Wanted ? If John Walsh won’t do anything about this situation, then I will. Information about the whereabouts of this furniture should be e-mailed to me at simonsays@observer.com.

Let’s find Liza’s furniture and get some closure for this right-thinkin’ family.

Before there was Johnny and Amber, there was Liza and David:

R273 Doesn't that describe virtually any wife? Except the sliver of them whose husbands are unemployed or have significantly less money than they do. Your bar for non-whoredom is really high!

r344, I don't think you know very much about Jackie if you say her situation is like 'virtually any wife."

She accepted payouts to look the other way with regard to her husbands' philanderings. Joe Kennedy gave her $1 million before the 1960 presidential election if she would consent not to divorce JFK. Onassis wanted her to let him cheat as much as he liked with Maria Callas and stay out of his way, so besides giving her an island for her wedding gift, he also gave her open credit card accounts at luxury department stores in NYC--she would buy the clothes and then sell them to consignment stores (brand-new) for cash. She was a very greedy shallow woman.

[quote]so besides giving her an island for her wedding gift, he also gave her open credit card accounts at luxury department stores in NYC--she would buy the clothes and then sell them to consignment stores (brand-new) for cash. She was a very greedy shallow woman.

Like most people wouldn't have taken that golden opportunity. Please.

Liza's wedding dress was lovely.

[quote]Can you imagine what the photographer was thinking while taking this picture?

"Dear God, please don't let the lens shatter before I finish taking pictures today!"

Stories like the one about Jackie are nothing new. Nancy Reagan had all her friends use the same Beverly Hills florist, and he would just describe what the person ordered and give Nancy a credit. She never paid for flowers.

Barbara Sinatra would have a copy made of any jewelry gifts from Frank, and sell it back to the store.

These bitches are resourceful.

So what did they need the money for? Weren't they already rich beyond belief? Were they druggies? (I'd believe that for Jackie)

Greedy old hags afraid of ever being poor again.

[quote] Michael Jackson had it, and he used it to tell parents if the the boys he was attracted to he was safe and docile, to get powerful icons of celebrity to vouch for him and to get and to get his fans to against all odds, believe in him.

I don't call that "emotional intelligence." I'd call it pathology.

Ok - my mind is drawing a blank - please help me remember. back in the day (when I didn’t pay attention to money) on Friday nights I would stop at the newsstand and pick up People, Us, National Enquirer, etc and get “The Scoop.” A few years before he died - David Gest was hanging out with another star - WHO was it? It looked like he was going to do a similar comeback - but WHO was it? It wasn’t Dionne Warwick - it driving me crazy - does anyone remember who it was?

Liza did not look at her best in that photo--she had bad makeup and a bad haircut, and she was overweight.

Still, she's not wearing a ridiculous outfit like La Liz, nor does she have hideously bad plastic surgery like the groom and Michael Jackson have.

When Liza is the most normal person there...something is very wrong.

[quote] Stories like the one about Jackie are nothing new. Nancy Reagan had all her friends use the same Beverly Hills florist, and he would just describe what the person ordered and give Nancy a credit. She never paid for flowers.

[quote]Barbara Sinatra would have a copy made of any jewelry gifts from Frank, and sell it back to the store.

They're nothing new, but they're examples of tacky behavior. Nancy was always trying to get something for nothing.

[quote] Like most people wouldn't have taken that golden opportunity. Please.

Most people would have found a job themselves rather than acted like leeches, and that is eventually what Jackie did.

"Nancy was always trying to get something for nothing. "

Herpes, gonorrhea, syphilis...

"That broad could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch"

- Frank Sinatra

r357 a job that gives you an unlimited expense account and your own fucking private island? Dream on.

[quote]Most people would have found a job themselves rather than acted like leeches, and that is eventually what Jackie did.

Most working people today would do anything to get rid of their jobs if they could be financially independent otherwise. The corporate world is a nightmare.

Liza married Gero because she was pregnant but she miscarried a month after they got married. She kept trying to have a baby with Gero which suggests that she understood he was the only hope she had of giving her child a straight dad.

[quote]She kept trying to have a baby with Gero which suggests that she understood he was the only hope she had of giving her child a straight dad.

It also suggests that he was the only one of her husbands she actually had sex with.

That creepy fucking burn victim face

Sam Harris' bit on the wedding. Not a lot about Gest, surprisingly. Maybe Sam wanted him to represent him.

Elizabeth Taylor looks awful. She was before my time, but I've never understood her appeal.

Liz appeared on the Oprah show back in the early 1990s. The shows begins with the usual ass kissing platitudes as scenes from National V and Cat are played on the screen. And then Oprah switches it up by doing that Southern dialect thing, her voice POURING sarcasm: "Ah do declahr, I swar I never seen a more beautiful woman in awl mah laaaaf!"

Fuckin Oprah!

Was Gest Lebanese? Arab? He looks Middle Eastern. Such an odd-shaped, melon head. Even before the surgeries he looked strange. He always kept his melon head tilted to one side. And he was TINY.

R368, Jewish, from Los Angeles.

[quote] That creepy fucking burn victim face

You rang?

Was David Gest related to David Geffen?

Sam Harris' comedy routine at r364 fascinating, because the material is gold, but he just doesn't have very good comic timing or delivery. he's clearly trying to be Kathy Griffin ("You be me, I'll be Jane Russell!" he tells the audience), but he just doesn't have her rhythms or her skill.

That Sam Harris clip is just a bit between numbers at his cabaret show. He's not trying to be a comedian.

[quote]it's LiZa with a Z!

[quote]—How many times do we have to tell you?

The AWF troll calls her "Lisa" just to irritate people, so you're wasting your time trying to correct him. He'll just do it more often.

I know more about Lisa Mineli than you do, R374. You're ANCIENT!

R345 Where'd you get that information, the Kitty Kelley biography?

I think Liza was so lonely and so idle in this period (she wasn't working at all) that she would've gone with any man who gave her a little attention.

[quote]That Sam Harris clip is just a bit between numbers at his cabaret show. He's not trying to be a comedian.

He's certainly not succeeding if what he's trying to do is comedy (which he is).

[quote][R345] Where'd you get that information, the Kitty Kelley biography?

There are multiple biographies of Jackie Onassis, and those facts are in all of them.

Wait till you hear Judy Collins joke sets between her songs, eldergays! She's doing a 4 continent stadium tour this summer. Opening act: Odetta!!!

I just listened to Isaac Mizrahi's novel and he was friends with Liza for a bit. He said that David Guest had awful taste and went into Liza's gorgeous, minimalist apartment and filled it with faux antique crap.

Yoou can tell he's a tacky motherfucker just by looking at him. She must've been really desperate.

[quote]The man behind the curtain is David Gest.

Liz Taylor and Richard Burton were gay.

R384, that a shame. That was one gorgeous place. The Warhols alone.

[quite] [R380], you are tedious.

That's funny: I'm thinking the same thing about you.

[quote]Onassis wanted her to let him cheat as much as he liked with Maria Callas and stay out of his way

So explain again why he wanted to get married when he could fuck Callas easier being single.

R285 Jessica looked great in that pic. It was from the 83 Oscars where Jess won her first. Liza was cohosting and Travolta presented best actor.

r390 Jackie was a prize for him.

People want to be married, and who would want to marry Liza Minnelli, a middle aged woman with all her problems, plus she's a star and a celebrity - and unfortunately, looks like her father instead of her mother.

I doubt Liza was getting tons of serious offers, and she wanted a husband. It's hard to know if Judy or Liza knew their husbands were gay or if they just were repeating some family pattern that began with Judy's mother (hopefully - and not sooner).

R390 Exactly. The Jackie O-hater doesn't know what he's talking about. Joe Sr. never paid Jackie off to keep her quiet about Jack's infidelities. Lem Billings, Jack's gay schoolfriend who serviced him regularly, explained to Jackie when they started going out that Jack would never be monogamous. His libido was out of control because of hormonal reactions caused by his Addison's disease. Jackie knew the score fully, considered her options, and chose the marriage. Whatever Joe Sr. gave her he gave her because he was charmed by her. The Jackie-O hater is some sort of Church Lady having a delightful (to her) fit of judgmental prudery.

R393 is just a mean spirited projecting asshole

[quote]Lem Billings, Jack's gay schoolfriend who serviced him regularly, explained to Jackie when they started going out that Jack would never be monogamous. His libido was out of control because of hormonal reactions caused by his Addison's disease.

Did Lem tell you that he serviced Jack regularly? Or was it just in his date book, or something? Where is the proof of that?

And - how do you explain the out of control libidos of the dad and the other sons?

r397 Lem sucking JFK off has been told in countless sources. The Kennedy men were rich horndogs who could get away with anything just like every other rich man in that era. It was the times.

Kennedy was a lousy fuck. A minute man. He wasn't a horndog, he had a sex addiction.

And yes, Jackie was paid to NOT leave JFK. Bitch was paid for everything. She charged Onassis by the sex act.

Some savvy film producer should have signed everyone in OP’s pic to star in a Dracula remake. In fact, I’m convinced some people in that photo were vampires.

R298 I know, but I meant since the other Kennedy men didn't have Addison's disease, how was Jack with Addison's any different from the rest of them without Addison's? They all were horny womanizers. At least Joe Sr. and Teddy for sure.

Well I thought the Lem Billings thing was not a provable thing, you always have some people saying yes and other people saying no.

Did JFK tell you that he was a lousy fuck minute man? Your dark stupid suspicious nature is hilarious in a nauseating sort of way.

R397 Church Lady, I don't feel compelled to explain other people's libidos. Live and let live is our motto out here in the not-Church-Lady world.

Many of JFK's conquests and lovers are on record that he was a lousy fuck and a minute man, R402. All of them women btw. He wasn't a fag. Women suck dick too.

Have you ever visited a real library?

That 12 year old kid did a GREAT Liza impression in the video at R80.

R403 I just happen to like facts, especially about history. Not stuff stated as fact that is from "many sources".

One of the all time greatest DL threads. We were all commenting on Liza's HSN appearance as it happened. It was a bigger event than the Oscars.

This 12 year old does a great Liza Minnelli impression too!

(Actually 13.)

Liza and her mother were dykes. Debbie Reynolds and her daughter were dykes. Lavender marriages create gay kids

She was fuuuuucked up! on HSN.

How did Onassis know Jackie had an orgasm?

She dropped her nail file! 🤣

Young Liza who got into Mama's medicine cabinet

Liza and David’s reality show was considered too over the top for that era. Today? It would be standard Bravo TV fare.

Say what you want but I love Liza! She had - and still has - spunk, which no new celebrity can muster to save their lives. Drugged, drunk, skin pulled back to the gods, old and decrepit, she still has a sparkle in her eye, charm, drive and PERSONALITY. Beat that, Taylor Swift!

Liza had spunk but so did Bonnie Franklin. I hate spunk.

R404 Why don't you ever cite any of your sources? You know how that works in argumentation? The idea is not to simply assert your opinions and expect people to take them on faith. Tell us which books you've read or which documentaries you've watched that feed your dark JFK/Jackie O fantasies.

Liza hasn't had spunk or jizz since 1992.

Source: Lisa Minelli

Oh thank you, thank you, R407!! I'm laughing like a maniac! So sorry I missed tbat shitshow! Why was she selling clothes??

R415 Thanks, Michael Feinstein.

Liza should have done a Funny Girl national tour.

Prime-time Liza, even up until 1995 - SHOULD have played Mama Rose. No personality, talent, look or voice was better suited to a BIG screen remake of Gypsy than Miss Liza Minnelli.

She's never been a great singer - but she had a great BIG voice that could thrill and is one of the greatest actresses in song of all time.

Source: Lisa Minelli

What is Liza’s last great performance? Well?

SNL did an obvious take off on Liza's HSN appearance but didn't identify Liza.

In terms of television, this one R424.

Liza took this song from Kiss of The Spider Woman and turned it into an AIDS Anthem. She sang it around the world. She's not a mess. Her voice is dark and husky but still her own. Before the stroke and the lisp, the vocal chord surgery and broken knee. Working with clay. Before all that.

The Day After That. 1996?

Never thought of Liza as a tv performer but yes that’s good. Didn’t she she have one last blowout set of shows? Am I remembering that? Maybe radio city?

A lot of people have a story about seeing her live somewhere so she must have got around.

She had lots of comebacks. You asked when she was last any good, R424. Right?

Her famous Radio City Shows were in 1992. Liza was 46.

She probably played there again and she had her Tony winning show of Liza's Back after she divorced Gest. But she couldn't really sing or dance anymore. Not up to standard. Just strike the occasional beautiful note and some famous Liza poses. The rest is sequins.

r429 is the ancient white fags troll.

r430 is THE ancient white FAG stalker insanity man of 80 years old! And old drunk stalker TROLL who posts hundreds of times a day from multiple accounts.

Please put the bottle down gramps, @ R430. Jesus may visit healing to your troubled mind this night!!

My BF and I pray for you, every night. 🙏🏾🙏🏾

You all are going to make Liza cry with all your pointless bitchery 😢

Keep fucking that chicken r431

As Liza often screeches and warbles and hobbles......The World Goes Round, R430.

I bet 1979 was a good year for you too!? May its memory be a blessing to you. ☮️

r434 you're so youthful at nearly 40 😂

Childish and back to wearing diapers at 82?

Everyone knows you're name, R436.

[quote]Everyone knows you're name,

Oh, dear!

This is dumb. If she wasn't Judy Garlands daughter no one would ever know Liza. She was not a good singer and she's ugly.

If Liza sounded as good as Mario Cantone.....she'd still be alive. RIP.

When Liza married Gest she was the same age as Vicky White when she broke Casey White out of prison. Women in their 50s do not marry for companionship unless they've totally given up.

Vicky White was also severely bamboozled. Apparently, women in their 50s aren't the sharpest of pencils when it comes to love.

[quote] So explain again why he wanted to get married when he could fuck Callas easier being single.

He wanted her as a prize, as someone said upthread. When Jackie was widowed and still young, she was considered the greatest prize in the world for rich older men who wanted to marry, and Onassis wanted to one-up his arch-rival Niarchos for marrying his former wife Tina.

Onassis also fucked Jackie’s sister Lee. How many men in the world fucked sisters? He probably got Jackie just to belong to the sisters club, but she wouldn’t put out without a ring, so he married her.

[quote] Onassis also fucked Jackie’s sister Lee. How many men in the world fucked sisters?

It's more common than you think. I'm not talking about 3-ways. I have 2 cousins (sisters) who fucked the same guy (at different times). These 2 sisters don't really get along with each other and I don't think it helped the relationship (between the sisters).

Martha and her daughter both dated the same man. That's creepier to me.

I've mentioned this before, but the gayest evening of my life was when I went to see Minnelli on Minnelli at the Palace Theater in December 1999, I was seated in an aisle seat three rows behind Angela Lansbury, who was being chatted up by Harvey Fierstein (standing in the aisle) shortly before the curtain went up. Liza later called Angela out from the stage and mentioned the films Angela had worked on with Vincent Minnelli (no mention of the movies she made with Judy - but then the show was meant to focus on the work of Vincent Minnelli.). Later, the show went into Peak Gay Mode when Liza began singing The Trolley Car Song along with Judy while the Trolley Car scene from Meet Me in St. Louis was being projected on a huge film screen behind her.

I guess today they would do a hologram.

I think today Liza is a hologram.

[quote]He wanted her as a prize, as someone said upthread. When Jackie was widowed and still young, she was considered the greatest prize in the world for rich older men who wanted to marry,

There were fewer filthy rich men to choose from back then. Today there are tons of hedge fund/finance guys and tech guys who are loaded and not bad-looking. Jackie would've had a better pool to choose from if she were a fortyish woman now.

Can you all stop talking about Jackie On Assistance? This thread is not about her.

Say what you want about Ms. Gest, Liza was at her best when he locked up the booze and produced her concerts at the Beacon Theatre in NYC

No she didn't op. No one knew actually. He's so masculine.

[quote]Liza was at her best when he locked up the booze and produced her concerts at the Beacon Theatre in NYC

He claimed she would sneak out and get drunk anyway, and then she would beat him up.

OP around this time America was more innocent. No one also expected Charlie Sheen of being a drug addict. People thought Glitter would be the biggest musical since Grease. Things were just different back then.

Hope this helps.

[quote] He claimed she would sneak out and get drunk anyway, and then she would beat him up.

God I would have loved to have seen that!

I'm A Lover, Liza, Not A Fighter!

Gest must've been a homosexual virgin. No man would touch that troll.

The HSN host should have won a damn Emmy.

[quote] Gest must've been a homosexual virgin. No man would touch that troll.

Oh, come on. Some people will fuck anything, especially if there's money or favors involved.

In this case, ONLY if there's money or favors involved. I mean, take another look at... that.

As long as they didn't get romantically involved, Gest would have been a good manager/producer for Liza. He really gave her a comeback after she was really an embarrassment for a good decade. She looked great and sang great. He also put together a very nice show for her. Liza's Back could have also been a double entendre as she obviously didn't hurt her back on her honeymoon.

It's called a sober coach R463. That was not gonna do it for Liza. She needed to be in LOVE. She may be a sweet woman but by all accounts she is close to moronic and self involved to the point of not being able to hold a conversation that doesn't center around her. LIGHT ME!

I think David Gest deserves a medal to get that bloated lateral lisping broken down 56 year old crooked hip sad woman close to up on her feet again. She only really cared about her career and he wanted some credit for making her almost presentable. Nothing wrong with that. Read the stories. She was DEAD. But she need to believe that "David" loved her to even attempt to obey him. You can pay someone to tell you what to eat and do 24 hours a day - but you can't pay someone to love you and listen. Gest probably thought she WAS a great star who could be rejuvenated. With all the things Liza did in her life, it is impossible to be "naive." She was sensationally debauched. These people are pretend helpless. Liza is a manipulator with little shame. Yes, she has a disease. About 23 of them.

r464 is the ancient white fags troll, spewing his insane bullshit as usual.

R465 knows SHIT! He's got more professional experience than your worn out hole, Gramps @ r465.

R465 is the ANCIENT WHITE FAG TROLL!? He knows nothing about breathing, never mind singing.

r466 and r467 are also the ancient white fags troll. What a sad pathetic loser of a man he is.

R464 is the only person who has posted both critical musical anaysis & good performances from Liza Minelli on this thread. He's the real deal. Educate the children.

Her good performances don't seem much different from the terrible ones to me. I guess Liza apeals to some gay men over 75?

r469 is the ancient white fag troll on a sockpuppet account, praising himself as usual. What a fucking nutcase.

R440 In Liza's defense, Liza may have had a famous name and who knows how much that helps? But she went to NYC at 16 against her parents' wishes, and they really didn't help her out, she slept on park benches and crashed at people apartments until those people were sick of her and threw her out. Not the usual Hollywood nepotism. Yes, she got attention as a child, like in that Hedda Hopper clip, not saying she didn't. But I think her making it was on her own talents.

Liza Minnelli is one of very few Industry kids who I think would've made it on her own now matter what, even if she was from Bumfucke Iowa and didn't have famous parents. Jane Fonda and Michael Douglas are two more I can think of offhand, they also would've made it on their own.

Most Industy connected people never would've made it without their connections.

I've never understood what's so special about Michael Douglas. I guess he did make it on his own but he's not that talented or distinctive vs Kirk.

Michael Douglas is brilliant within his niche.

R475 I think if his talents/successes didn't extend beyond acting, he wouldn't be much.

I have never understood why datalounge claims that Liza had a decade of utter terribleness before David Gest.

What I've seen from her from that period may not have always been her very best, but certainly not awful!

Can someone please post a video proof of a truly AWFUL Liza performance from the 1992-2002 period? TIA

[quote]OP around this time America was more innocent.

Even in 1776 David Gest would have been obviously gay.

This is sensational. The dark bitter truth of the song Cabaret. Liza knows that too. But she could never admit this. It's not her worldview or her view of self. Stick with it. Fantastic.

I've seen the play - a few times, but this is next level. Bravo.

Thank you, R481! Yeah, that WAS bad. However, I can't help but think at least part of it was due to some microphone problem (I couldn't hear half of what she sang) and, of course, het being out of breath due to being fat.

Also I noticed she seemed to sniff a lot while she spoke.

Still, she had that performative, theatrical fire in her. She never lost it!

You're nuts R483. She's not high there and she's been fatter -but her voice was limited to a few notes and they were raspy. She couldn't keep up with the song. Never mind hit the notes. Liza making arm movements and grand gestures to cover up for bad singing on BIG songs has been going on for many, many years. But it doesn't all leave in a day and sometimes it comes back. No different from Judy, Aretha or Whitney. They declined incrementally, but occasionally rose from the dead and amazed.

Liza loves singing Some People and her gestures are always the same. She had the energy and a lot more voice to go with it. I said she should have been given the chance to play Mama Rose on the BIG screen. She was so dynamic. And fucked up and specific as she is - Liza is a pretty good actress too.

r484 is the ancient white fags troll.

Vocally just as powerful and dramatically even better in 1992. Exact same gestures.

Listen to the songs your deranged mental midget @ R485. You come across as an obsessed stalker and deranged lunatic. Not a stalker of Liza. But of DL posters. You're a very sick and insecure old man.

If the diaper fits...

R485, get off of my thread, you insane troll!

Liza is an expert in losing the melody when she sings live.

r487 if you think calling people "fags" on this forum is acceptable and wishing we all died of AIDS, you will be called out on it. You're a sick diseased individual and identifying you when you post will not stop. I don't know what the fuck Muriel is doing, but filth like you doesn't belong here.

[quote] You come across as an obsessed stalker and deranged lunatic.

As if calling people ancient white fags isn't being a lunatic? Telling us to die of AIDS isn't being a lunatic? Sorry, your time is up.

I've never told anyone to die of AIDS. NEVER. You're a mess R491.

There are some ancient white fags on this site, for sure.

R490 / R491, the only one using repeatedly the words 'fags' and 'AIDS' and 'ancient white fags' on this thread is you. GTFO right now!!!

r492/r492 you sure have. You're a shit stirring insane troll who shits on everyone on this forum using the most vulgar and inflammatory language and you have multiple sock puppets. Everyone can search your various accounts. You will be called out on your hateful bullshit. Your time is up.

Hush now, R494.

As she aged, Liza was so much more effective when she didn't try to overwhelm with big gestures and sustained belts. She is achingly sincere - and very good here.

Sorry, the ancient white fags troll will be called out. He's r496

That reminds me of Edith Piaf, R496. When did she start to lisp so much?

I love the total punk rock anarchy of that Cabaret - R479.

She had encephalitis and/or a series of strokes, R498. Then vocal cord surgery. She never came back from this vocally or physically. Though Gest cleaned her up for a bit and she pretended to be L*I*Z*A*, she eventually got worse.

More sequins & even less control over her voice and movements. It would be sad if she didn't want it so much. He gave her the only chance she had for revival. And she wasn't really good. People were just happy that she was ALIVE!

We can see that her brain favors singing sideways and that puppet like gestures are meant to distract from her loss of ability.

r500 is the ancient white fags troll.

We're all going to die, R501. Spend your remaining time pursuing something more illuminating. Or just get high. May all the creators bless you. ❤

People have careers forever now. They never end.

But back then her career was pretty much dead even if she had a decade of singling left in her. She was so tied to her era that she was heading towards washed up territory.

May the creators clear your addled insane mind r502. Or perhaps just put you out of your misery.

[quote]Spend your remaining time pursuing something more illuminating.

Like calling people "fags" on a gay forum? How enlightened you are.

Boysch, Boysch! Thisch thread ish to schelebrate my career in show bushiness. Pleasch!

We know you have many accounts R505. Hate is Hate. Your harassing language is the same, no matter where you post from. Try to do better. Rest now.

Just one account r507. Your psycho ass is the one with all the sock puppets. Begone.

Everyone , please block the insane stalker troll!!

I have no idea whom to block! I don't even know what "[X] is the ancient white fags troll" means or what it has to do with Liza. But I'll content myself with FFing any post that makes that accusation, how's that?

Hollywood shows that the gay gene is highly inheritable.

[quote]Vocally just as powerful and dramatically even better in 1992.

I saw her on the same stage in 1991 on the Stepping Out tour. I scored a solo seat in the 10th row. Close enough to see the sweat pour off of her. Found out the next day watching Regis and Kathy Lee that Regis attended the same show as I did.

HEEEEEE WAAAAZSH IMPO! - TEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeent!

R501 is the one to block.

The block function is a godsend.

I saw Liza at the old Universal Amphitheater in the 80s with my parents. She opened with Some People. It was electric.

Her Carnegie Hall album is good.

I'm your OP, R521, etc. You're literally shitting in my house. Begone!

It's everybody's thread r522. You may tolerate a homophobic nutcase but others dont. Fuck that rancid troll.

You're a very sad person, R523. But thanks for giving me good karma with every reply I don't have to read anymore, lol

R525 keep responding to everything, yes yes

I thought you blocked me r526

you're a complete cuckoo, R550 etc

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