Watching old Roseanne repeats on COZI TV

It had its ups and downs but when it was good, it was G O O D.

Feh. If I wanted to see fat, ugly people bitching and moaning- I'd just look out the window.

It was very good seasons 3-7! Love it!

Just watched the one where Jackie's boyfriend hits her and the one after.....and a few nights ago it was Bev moving to Lanford.

Seasons 2 - 5 fan, but especially Seasons 3 - 4. Some of the best TV ever.

Yeah I really loved Roseanne. Obviously she was always crazy but at least she used to have some talent. Now she's just some horrible old woman.

Roseanne really missed an opportunity with the new series. She ultimately could have created a story arc for her character over a year or two (or three) that would have been something fresh and interesting: a Trump-voter who slowly begins to realise they are drinking the Kool-Aid and lets down their guard, etc.

Granted, that wouldn't have been very realistic, considering the average Trump voter. But, it could have made for some really outstanding TV. I don't watch the new series and I hear it's good, but it really held so much more promise. It was contingent on Roseanne the person waking up. That obviously didn't happen. It sucks. Because I was such a fan of the original, which was really revolutionary fictional TV, as far as those things go.

The new series taints watching the old one for me. Knowing that they are all failures in the future is depressing

The series had many good moments but I have complaints. They turned Jackie from a nice and kind of kooky character into a neurotic mess. Mark started out as a rebellious cool guy and they turned him into quite a stupid person. When the real Roseanne decided she had been abused by her father, the Roseanne character and her sister couldn't get enough mom hate. That grew old. I found Darlene to be the most realistic character, especially once she became a teenager. I found Dan to be the funniest character. Nancy was a complete waste of time but I might be prejudiced since I despise Sandra Bernhardt. Arnie was just insufferable. Bev had great lines and the actress delivered them with great comedy. I love Shelly Winters but found her character to be completely unbelievable. Leon and his mates, ugh, just ugh. I guess having openly gay characters was groundbreaking but Leon, ugh, just ugh. Becky and DJ were dull as dishwater. The Connors becoming rich was totally stupid.

[quote] The new series taints watching the old one for me. Knowing that they are all failures in the future is depressing

Yeah, I am on the fence about that. On one hand it's realistic. On the other hand, I wish there was some character growth. I would like to see how Jackie evolves without being in Roseanne's shadow.

Just me. Just me and my ganja.

[quote]She ultimately could have created a story arc for her character over a year or two (or three) that would have been something fresh and interesting: a Trump-voter who slowly begins to realise they are drinking the Kool-Aid

Not likely as she is a hard-core rabid Trump supporter in real life.

Yes, R13, I acknowledged as much.

[QUOTE]It was contingent on Roseanne the person waking up. That obviously didn't happen.

Had she laid low on her Twitter account and had the capacity to evolve eventually, it would have made for some great fucking TV. Missed opportunity. I makes me sad.

R14 She’s not just on Twitter, you should check out her Youtube channel sometime. She’s batshit crazy, into all sorts of Q Anon conspiracy theories and literal Trump worship.

I’m watching the weekly Saturday TV Land marathon now. It’s such a heartwarming and relatable show. L

The early seasons are just brilliant. Particularly the first season, when she's working at Wellman's plastics. I remember watching the series when it first aired and I don't remember ever seeing a show the realistically portrayed working class people, without making them losers.

The origins to Roseanne (the series) are also interesting. Roseanne takes all the credit for it, but Marcy Carsey says the show (which was called Life N Stuff) was already created and the idea was to show a working mother in a two parent household. They hired Roseanne, but she then bitched they had stolen her stand-up act after the pilot was edited. When it went to a series, Carsey Werner then tried to kill off Roseanne's character (as they had been done around this time with Valerie Harper), and keep the show going as 'The Connors'. But John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf wouldn't go along with it. Therefore, Roseanne won the power struggle and got the network to fire a whole list of people she didn't like and hire Tom Arnold!

Delta Burke tried to deploy a similar approach on Designing Women, but she didn't get the support of the co-stars and the producers got her removed from the show!

I used to watch the show in repeats all of the time. Now, I can't stand the sight of Roseanne. Loathe her.

You could tie me to a chair and pin my eyes open, and I still wouldn't watch Roseanne.

She’s fine! She sends her love

I recorded the first season of "The Conners" and what episodes of the second season have aired. I finally watched them and I was impressed. The sharp wit that was the hallmark of the better episodes of "Roseanne" is still there but there is also a bit of almost realistic drama thrown in. I think I like the show better without Roseanne Barr. Her abrasive personality wore thin quickly and I think her acting abilities were not quite as good as that of the other principal members of the cast. I didn't think you could kill of the title character and achieve any success but I do believe they have managed to do that very thing.

[quote]They turned Jackie from a nice and kind of kooky character into a neurotic mess. Mark started out as a rebellious cool guy and they turned him into quite a stupid person.

I agree, I hated what was done to those two characters.

R22 Mark's character was easier to understand. He started out as the stereotype boyfriend every parent of a daughter has nightmares about. He was 2D and only designed to serve a purpose of Becky's movement into adolescence (eg the pill, sex etc). However, his role was made more serious when Lecy Goranson wanted to leave the show to go to college. So they had to find a way to write her out of it, and she married Mark and eloped. When they re-cast Becky, and brought her back into the show, they had to give Mark 'a character' and they could't have him playing a bad boy (as a husband) as it wouldn't have worked. So they made him this moron.

Jackie's major change in character you can pin point. It happened after her character had her baby. Laurie Metcalf had also won an Emmy prior to this time and she was getting a huge amount of credibility for the show. She had done the domestic abuse storyline brilliant and her sparring with Estelle Parsons. To me, it seems a decision was made as to the type of Mother Jackie would be, and someone has suggested she should be a neurotic mess! This lead to the destruction of her character from a solid anchor character to a parody.

It was a good show up until Sara Gilbert went part-time due to going to college. It survived losing Becky, but it couldn't survive losing Darlene, who was one of the best teenage characters ever on a TV show, whether comedy or drama. It even remained somewhat of a decent show after that, but Roseanne went batshit crazy the last season with the Conners winning the lottery. That simply ruined the show. She tried to make it like Ab Fab. She failed.

I’m watching the TV movie from the mid-90s that NBC did called Roseanne and Tom: Behind The Scenes. The actress playing Roseanne is pretty good and there’s a lookalike of Laurie Metcalf. The story is told as a conversation with one of her multiple personalities(!)

I was a fan long time ago but now I can’t stand that fat cunt.

You seem like a warm and understanding person r26

Lecy Goranson always speaks about her "close" relationship with Sara Gilbert. I have never heard Sara say anything about her. Are they friends "off the set." Were they in contact at all dyring the period when the show was not on the air?

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